Pack Caps, PPCs, and Breeding Season
December 16, 2020, 07:09 PM
WOLF
Site Account

Update regarding Pack Caps, PPCs, and Breeding Season



As a result of the discussion we posted, we've come to a decision that we feel best balances the concerns of everyone involved.聽 We know we can't ever make everyone happy on a site such as this, but we generally at least try to create changes that adhere to the site's spirit as best we can!聽 Thus, the following combination of changes:

Packs will be capped at 24 members, with no more separation between youth members and adults.


The pack cap is meant to represent the number of wolves a territory can reasonably support with the size and resources available.聽 This gets muddied, however, when OOC circumstances such as age are introduced!聽 Aside from that, the age calculation has never been particularly consistent, and turning away members because pup slots are full when adult slots are not is never fun.聽 Now PMs may decide how their ranks play out and prioritize pups against members accordingly!

Each pack may approve 8 pups per breeding season.


While we want to get rid of pup caps per pack, we still feel there is value in limiting the number of pups that can be bred per season.聽 Where those pups end up matters less, but the approval must come from a PM of a pack that a parent is a member of.聽 Lone wolves will still gain approvals from CMs and have much higher standards for eligability.

PPCs will now count against the new combined pack cap.


This is for the same reason stated above.聽 This cap is meant to be an IC representation of a territory's sustainability, and allowing members to live there who aren't included breaks this reality.聽 We read through the thread, summarized thoughts, and feel this is the best compromise available while avoiding subjective rules and simplifying things immensely.

Many of the alternatives offered we will keep for reference!聽 But most hinged on cracking down on how PPCs are used, encouraging PMs to better monitor or choose PPCs, and essentially implementing more sweeping guidelines that limit what characters can utilize this function.聽 Something that was brought up again and again was "player agency", and in the end, that's what we feel this solution offers best.聽 PMs still get full choice in what players they offer PPC to.聽 Players still get full choice in requesting this option.聽 And packs still get full choice in how they utilize PPCs to their comfort level.聽 Different players will have different guidelines, and are encouraged to set these upfront, but we as a team are not comfortable enforcing our own standards on something that should be a personal choice.聽 We never want to define how others wish their characters to be developed.

An important aspect of the decision was also player comfort.聽 We don't feel it is fair to accomodate players who may feel uncomfortable requesting PPC and ignore players who are uncomfortable approaching one another about the way these PPCs affect their own character timelines and experiences.聽 Hopefully, by enforcing that PPCs are indeed still members of the pack, it's also re-inforced that these characters do have an effect on the characters around them.聽 There should be a real reason why they are still present - and that reason should be communicated.


We hope this ends up being a move in a positive direction for packs as a whole!聽 If not, as always, we will re-assess and reconvene.聽 If you have questions or need clarification, feel free to ask below or to reach out to us directly! <3
December 16, 2020, 07:43 PM
Wylla
Yu猫l贸ng
Zh脿nsh矛
Quote:While we want to get rid of pup caps per pack, we still feel there is value in limiting the number of pups that can be bred per season.

Just to clarify, if Pack A approves Male A to breed with Female B from Pack B, and 2 pups are going to be born and raised entirely in Pack B, this still counts as 2/8 pup slots granted from Pack A even if the pups are never involved with Pack A?
December 16, 2020, 07:53 PM
Rosalyn
Sapphique
Tanzanite*
(December 16, 2020, 07:43 PM)Wylla Wrote:
Quote:While we want to get rid of pup caps per pack, we still feel there is value in limiting the number of pups that can be bred per season.

Just to clarify, if Pack A approves Male A to breed with Female B from Pack B, and 2 pups are going to be born and raised entirely in Pack B, this still counts as 2/8 pup slots granted from Pack A even if the pups are never involved with Pack A?

This is not the case!聽 I've updated the guidebook to clarify this

Quote:Each pack can approve up to 8 pups per season, so these spaces will need to be divvied up if there are multiple prospective parents.聽 Cross-pack pairs may choose which pack's approval spaces they will use (mother's or father's) depending on available space and PM preference.

PMs, when giving CMs their lists, will just need to denote which pups they are 'claiming'
December 16, 2020, 08:01 PM
Alyx
Sapphique
Granite
Gotcha! Thanks for clarifying!
December 18, 2020, 10:27 AM
Arcturus
Brecheliant
Family
I just wanted to chuck this in here since we have received some questions about it and puppy season is right around the corner 鈥 some of this is written by Kat so shout out for the help.

PMs giving out slots for breeding season, remember that the new pack limit cannot exceed 24 and puppies that go over that limit cannot be born unless there is room for them in the stats. The site鈥檚 current coding setup prohibits additional members being added once the pack reaches its cap of 24 members. In the case of an incoming litter going over the cap, they cannot be born unless room is made for them. That means kicking out a current member or forfeiting the puppy.

Since pack populations are in constant flux, the CMs may approve a litter where there isn鈥檛 the space to accommodate them at the time of the request. It is the responsibility of the pack鈥檚 PMs to sort out how to accommodate the puppies, just as they would in the wild. The CM鈥檚 approval is not a guarantee that the puppies can be born in the event the pack is over limit at the time of their birth. PMs should keep an eye on their member count and give out the puppy slots accordingly.
December 18, 2020, 10:57 AM
Rosalyn
Sapphique
Tanzanite*
To add an additional spin on this -聽

The puppies can be born if they are approved, but they may not be able to be born into the pack they were approved into. 聽Parents may need to relocate to another pack that has space. 聽If they end up as lone wolves, then players will need to abide by the lone wolf pup limitation.

Accomodating beforehand could easily mean packs dividing and splitting off. 聽Especially for packs that are full, 8 puppy spaces could easily be opened up by 8 members departing to create a new pack of their own! 聽Or join on somewhere else/with a pack currently forming.